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Est. in The Dark Ages of Common Sense

Mad Madam Moxie

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A Curmudgeon's Chronicle of Everything Wrong With the World
⚸ The Grievances of Others ⚸
  1. thepaperpilot thepaperpilot

    I largely agree with your post, but I want to take issue with framing it as a problem caused by the internet becoming more populated. The early web was incredibly homogenous due to its limited accessibility, and those with access all having to be relatively privileged. Indeed, back when it was only available to universities it had a single culture and a singular "netiquette", where September became known as the time of the year when a bunch of new users would be forced to assimilate to that culture. It's not a time to romanticize, particularly when contrasting it with the current internet which is far more accessible and diverse.

    To be clear, we agree on the actual issue you're describing though: the internet is full of strangers! I believe this is largely caused by social media being designed to keep you endlessly scrolling across endless posts and people, which you cannot hope to get to know the nuances of individually. You're systemically incentivized to group people based on assumptions made from a handful of their posts at most. It both dehumanizes people and removes the social consequences of being mean to each other, which causes "everyone" to be negative and bullies (and really, I don't think people are intrinsically mean or bullies; we're all products of our environments). Plus social media is _also_ designed such that users and posts can go viral, which means specific posts get tons of comments from people who don't know each other, exacerbating the issue.

    The reason I think we should frame the problem as "the internet is full of strangers" instead of "the internet has too many people" is because it means the solution isn't to kick people off the Internet or re-homogenize the internet. It's to design our social media so we have more repeated interactions with the same people, so they are people with nuance, while the network as a whole remains nice and diverse. We can and should still encourage diversity within one's friend group, and ensure the network is "porous", rather than closed off networks creating echo chambers. I think that'll lead to a much more humane web.

    1. Moxie Moxie

      You're right! I did originally have a paragraph about not totally romanticising the old internet because it did have its downsides, but it didn't feel quite right and I couldn't figure out how to rewrite it, so I ended up omitting it.

      I definitely don't want the diversity of the current internet to disappear, just the inability of many of the people on it to handle said diversity! 😊

  2. riri riri

    oh no! you made a joke on the inernet!!!
    seriosly tho fuck normias lol

    1. Moxie Moxie

      Right?!

  3. folkmoss folkmoss

    I'm writing a similar post right now, actually... About how the discovery of *revenue* tied to the internet kinda ruined it for everybody (those of us who were here before that, and those of us who had never had the opportunity to see that things online could be different, actually). I'm sorry you were bullied out of a social space. Unfortunately, this is the state of the world we live in, and it fucking sucks. I feel sad for friends who forgot the earlier days and are stuck in walled gardens of social media, but are so comfortably chained to it they're unwilling to "make the switch" and rediscover the open web. Oh well.

    1. Moxie Moxie

      It's especially frustrating that even with offering to help my friends set up their own spaces to make it easier for them, they'd still rather stay on social media. 😭

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