Est. in The Dark Ages of Common Sense

Mad Madam Moxie

A Curmudgeon's Chronicle of Everything Wrong With the World
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  1. riri riri

    im in my late 20s, i still didnt manage to keep/get a stable job, let alone move out. im YET to experience my own life. i didn't travel, i didn't try many things in life. because quite frankly, they are expensive. and without a stable job, you really cant afford anything.

    what makes anyone think that the first thing i do get stable is think about having kids? no fucking bloody i will not. i will think about me, ME and only me and all the things i couldn't experience in teens and 20s.

    besides, i also, never wanted kids, i kept telling my family i dont want any since i was teenager. none of them ever believed me and they still think i will change my mind.

    why should i have kids? it will only make my mental health godawful. ill be irritated and annoyed 24/7. like you said, its not like i can't take care of kids, i definitely can. but would i be good at it? probably not.

    i dont fucking care no matter how selfish it is, i want to dedicate my life to my self, and not a kid lol.

    1. Moxie Moxie

      I definitely feel like it's even harder for Gen Z and younger because so many of you literally can't afford to even move out of home, let alone pop out kidlets. But at least you guys all seem to get it as a collective. Millennials and older expect we're all supposed to have them. 😒

  2. thepaperpilot thepaperpilot

    I'm a big fan of the child liberation movement, whose values I try to uphold while raising my own child and when interacting with children within my community. I've found the child liberation movement can vary in support or opposition to the childfree movement, depending on whether the childfree person is against parenting or children themselves.

    It sounds like you're the former, in which case I think we can see a lot of common ground wrt how horrible the nuclear family dynamic is for both kids AND parents. What used to be a communal responsibility (“it takes a village”...) is now foisted upon 1-2 legal guardians, which is an incredible ask! Without support from the government or our community, with people living alone or as a couple already struggling as it is, the added responsibility over an entire other person and their development, is immense! Its what leads to a lot of “bad parenting”, with absurdly high and often contradictory standards. And it's what leads to a lot of strict and abusive parenting, as relying on and reinforcing the oppressive power dynamic between parent and child is a lot less effort than meeting the child where they're at and working through things with them as equal human beings.

    And so I think there is plenty of justification for people choosing to not have children, and the reasons you wrote are very strong ones. Although, the argument for choosing to not have children because of the state of the world limits our ability and agency to envision a better world. I think we need to have optimism towards our and future generations’ ability to change things around.

    I originally also wrote a whole thing on the people and social structures oppressing children as well, but I think that's off topic for this post. That's a different flavor of childfree.

    1. Moxie Moxie

      No, please, I'd love to hear what you had to say about the societal oppression of children! I think it follows on from the fact that the systems we have in place to protect children are incredibly flimsy considering there's a (US?) government cover-up of abuse happening right now. If this can happen, it's entirely possible that there are other systems in place to actively oppress children!

      My pessimism towards the future is more of an addendum than an actual reason, because the only reason I need is the fact that I don't believe I am fit to be a parent through simply not wanting children. I don't believe things can't or won't improve, but the way things are right now give me that extra feeling of "This is the right thing for me, based on my morals and worldview!".

      I still don't think I would be willing to do it if I had a village either.

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